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“We thank you. We admire you. God bless you all.”
The heartfelt words of Councillor Nick Brice were greeted with unanimous agreement across the council chamber as they debated Councillor Rodney Chambers’ motion supporting our Armed Forces on Thursday, November 22.
The motion’s text, which was agreed unanimously, as written in the agenda, is as follows: “Our armed forces are acting in the highest traditions of our nation in their conduct of operations overseas. Reservists and regular servicemen and women alike share the burden and risks and they do so in the most difficult of circumstances, with great pressure on manpower and other resources. On behalf of the people of Medway this Council wishes to express admiration at the bravery, endurance and professionalism of our servicemen and women, as well as the fortitude and quiet courage of their families at home in the United Kingdom.”
The response from members was overwhelming, and below I have decided to share as much of it with you as possible, interspersed with my personal opinions on some members’ comments.
All “quotations” are not verbatim as my tired little hands were not able to write fast enough to catch every word, although I have tried to quote what I can, and where I believe it to be verbatim and of particular interest, I have written it in ‘inverse commas’.
Councillor Rodney Chambers (Con, Hempstead and Wigmore) started off the debate. “I hope this motion can gain unanimous support. It is not intended to be political or controversial. Over the past few weeks, many of us have attended services of remembrance. ‘It is right to remember those who have given their lives’ and also serving forces. This topic has had a great deal of publicity recently. It is said that there is a feeling of a lack of appreciation in our community and lack of understanding as to why they have been sent there. Soldiers fighting abroad fell their families are being neglected, in particular their welfare and housing. I would like to convey to all personnel our grateful thanks and appreciation for everything they do.”
Councillor Paul Godwin (Lab, Chatham Central) was next. “In principal I am happy to support this motion. The issue of the current position is always a concern for all of us and for decades has been a feature of all Army leaders’ concerns. However, support comes at a cost, and the cost must be proportional.”
I should just like to point out here that £9bn for fighting African aids against £400m for fighting in Afghanistan is greatly disproportional and immensely unfair in my view, and is disgraceful treatment of our Armed Services by the then Chancellor Gordon Brown.
Councillor John Ward (Con, Rochester South and Horsted). “I am fully supportive of this motion. Warring and fighting is terrible, but recently I was reminded by a song from the Innes Book of Records (and its video), Time to Kill, which brings a lot of things home. Members from all sides can view it, courtesy of Cllr Etheridge, at StroodConservatives.com.”
Councillor Teresa Murray (Lab, Rochester East). “It is very important to remember the contribution they play in peacekeeping and rebuilding communities. Soldiers retiring, particularly younger ones, need to find jobs, affordable housing and even such things as a family doctor. I hope Councillor Chambers enshrines in his motion our responsibility to them.”
It is indeed true that we all have a responsibility to help our serving and retired servicemen and women, particularly when they are getting younger and younger.
Councillor Nicholas Brice (Con, Rochester South and Horsted). “I was discussing with the Mayor outside Rochester Cathedral on the day of the Remembrance service the right we have to differ in public on any issue. If we cannot move this declaration, then our grand plans come to nought. ‘We thank you. We admire you. God bless you all.’”
Councillor Stephen Kearney (LD, Gillingham South). “I like many people have sold poppies, but we [as a Council] need to show what we can do. People will need specialist care, particularly as there are now people in their early 20s coming home. Whatever we can do to help these people we should do.”
Councillor Paul Harriot (Lab, Twydall). “I am reminded by the vicar of St Mark’s Church [Canon John Saunders]‘s sermon at the remembrance service there, when he said “the price of freedom is not free”. It is important for servicemen to understand that they serve their Country and the Queen. Young men enter service of their own choice (unlike me, who like most people my age were called up for National Service). I give 100% support to this motion.”
Canon John Saunders’ sermon was indeed as thought provoking as some of the responses given to this motion. He reminded us that the cost of war (and thus freedom) is higher than the statistics show, because for every serviceman who dies or gets injured, there are family and friends who are directly affected. Freedom comes at a price, and we must ensure that the people who will be paying that price with their lives are adequately cared for and feel valued and appreciated.
Councillor Herbert Crack (LD, Watling). “I endorse this motion. We hear so much about the youth of today and the “hoodie culture” that we often forget that it is the youth of today out there fighting for our Country today.”
Councillor Diane Chambers (Con, Hempstead and Wigmore). “A friend’s son died fighting in Iraq. In the last letter he sent to his parents he said “it’s a mess here but I love what I do. I wouldn’t be anywhere else but here with my men.”"
Councillor Jane Etheridge (Con, Strood North). “It is times like these that draw communities together. It would be appropriate if we could remember those in newer conflicts.”
Councillor Tony Goulden (Lab, Luton and Wayfield). “This is an excellent motion.”
Councillor Alan Jarrett (Con, Lordswood and Capstone) had a slightly different way of putting things. “Today’s soldiers are all volunteers (unlike those, including Cllr Harriot, who were conscripts). For different reasons we all choose to serve our community, but our wives and families expect us to come home. Some servicemen are unable to. The media gives little mention to soldiers who die for their Country, yet are likely to debate for months how ‘McClaren’s dire tribe and bunch of misfits’ let us down last night. It is a sad sign of the times when our servicemen and women are dying, yet the only photograph on the front page of a national newspaper is that of a deflated football.”
Councillor Rodney Chambers (Con, Hempstead and Wigmore). “Local people who died should be remembered locally. I have had the pleasure to live amongst the RE Corps for nearly 32 years. I think we should grant the freedom of Medway on the Corps as part of our appreciation.”
Councillor Chambers then proposed a motion to be discussed at a special meeting of the Council before the next full Council meeting on January 17, which read that “the freedom of Medway be conferred upon the Royal Engineers.” This was agreed.






5 Comments
Good write-up!
I am pleased that you headlined on Cllr Brice’s “punchline”, which was very good indeed. Get him onto something on which he feels strongly, and he will crystallise the widespread feelings of the community-at-large. He can be quite impressive!
One thing you will be able to do, because even your “tired little hands” were able to record the flavour of what was actually going on — even if not the whole event verbatim — is how the meeting ends up being reported in the local media, probably in Monday’s “Messenger”. I shall be interested in your evaluation of that…
Of all the memorable phrases that summed up the tone of the debate, Cllr Brice’s “punchline” was the most heart-wrenching and fitting, and one of the only ones worthy of being used as a headline.
And yes, I do intend to compare my write-up with the report the Medway Messenger will likely print on Monday (I did see Alan Watkins at the meeting, and indeed walk out midway through the final motion, much to the amusement of Cllr Maple (who, incidentally, I have attempted to add as a friend on Facebook, and who is yet to accept/reject the request)).
I foresee a career as an independent journalist ahead!
By the way, did you notice how some Labour members talk among themselves while I am speaking?> We have our own “usual suspects” in this respect,and they include one of your local Councillors, Paul Harriott. He does it every time.
The one thing that the traditional Labour Members cannot have is too much of the truth put out into the public domain, especially when their own supporters are present (as some are waverers), and as we know I have a wealth of material available from which to quote facts and figures from definitive sources.
Thus this practice of talking over me (which is one reason for the recent call-in of Group Leaders to face the Standards Committee over such behaviour) began only after I started working not from paper, but from my “portable office”.
Once I became paperless, and was then even able to quote directly from Opposition leaflets and newsletters on the spot in Council meetings, I was judged to be very dangerous to Labour — and rightly so! I am the nemesis of anyone trying to be dishonest, misleading and otherwise abusing the privilege of public service — and they know it! Increasingly desperate, and with no new or useful message to impart, they fall back on less salubrious techniques because they have nothing else to offer.
Thus it becomes easy to see why this otherwise inexplicable behaviour occurs with predictable regularity: there is no other reason for it. It is the same with Cllr Mrs Murray’s obligatory and customary SNIDE comments about me (as also happened at this Council meeting). Just remember what SNIDE stands for, and all becomes clear: “Socialists Notably Incapable of Debating Effectively”.
Tells the whole story, really…
Hmm if I were ever to go down the “journo” path (which I sincerely doubt), I think that, even with the best will in the world, I would be far from independent!
Yes I had noticed the Labour Members’ conversations whilst you (and other members) were trying to address the Council – to the extent where the Mayor had to cut in a couple of times!
I think it is disgraceful behaviour – and, as Cllr Bamber reminded us whilst speaking, so does the independent Standards Committee!
Thanks for your own observations on the behaviour situation, Alan. However, all I see on the Kent Messenger website in respect of last Thursday’s Council meeting is an article berating Cllr Howard Doe in respect of his response to the public questions.
Was there a quote from Cllr Doe or anyone else from our side? No.
Was there a quote from the opposition? yes, of course — your favourite Twydall Councillor Glyn Griffiths.
Was it balanced, fair or accurate reporting? Well, you tell me. I don’t claim that Howard did himself any favours by giving such gifts to a hostile local medium, which they obviously soaked up with glee; but there was so much more that could have been reported on this topic, if the will had been there.
I and my colleagues have had to live with this kind of thing for years, which is one very good reason for supporting the on-line forums such as this one. Even if there might turn out to be the occasional slight slant (probably inadvertently), it is a mere speck in the eye, as against the plank in at least some of the old-style media’s eyes…