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	<title>Comments on: BNP elected North as Labour pushed to fifth place by Greens in South</title>
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		<title>By: R Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>R Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 14:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before we all bang on about how Nick Griffin has a spent criminal conviction, I would like to point out that Harriet Harman was found in contempt of court by Sir Hugh Park in the important civil liberties case, Home Office v. Harman, the conviction for contempt being upheld on appeal, before becoming MP for Peckham in a by-election in 1982.  

People are only voting BNP due to the rubbish job that the maim three political parties are doing with our country and our peoples rights, any party that promises to look after those who are native to our country instead of the foreigners and illegal immigrants will do well as the population are sick of becoming second rate citizens in their own country, the three main parties need to realise this and fix it before it is too late..

The Nazi?s rise to power was very similar to the current climate and BNP rise, history is their for a reason - it allows us to avoid mistakes of the past, for Christ sake use it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before we all bang on about how Nick Griffin has a spent criminal conviction, I would like to point out that Harriet Harman was found in contempt of court by Sir Hugh Park in the important civil liberties case, Home Office v. Harman, the conviction for contempt being upheld on appeal, before becoming MP for Peckham in a by-election in 1982.  </p>
<p>People are only voting BNP due to the rubbish job that the maim three political parties are doing with our country and our peoples rights, any party that promises to look after those who are native to our country instead of the foreigners and illegal immigrants will do well as the population are sick of becoming second rate citizens in their own country, the three main parties need to realise this and fix it before it is too late..</p>
<p>The Nazi?s rise to power was very similar to the current climate and BNP rise, history is their for a reason &#8211; it allows us to avoid mistakes of the past, for Christ sake use it!</p>
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		<title>By: Johanim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johanim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2 BNP MEP NOW---- THE MAJORITY ON THE COMMONS TOMMORROW. HELL WE NEED BNP IN U.S.A. &amp; CANADA. THANKS TO THE SOCIALIST FASCIST DEMOCRATIC PARTY IN THE USA WE MAY JUST HAVE A BNP ANSWER TO THE BANKRUPT DEMOCRATS &amp; REPUBLICANS VERY VERY SOON, THANKS TO THE MESSIAH BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA. IN CANADA TWEEDLE STUPID &quot;LIBERAL PARTY&quot; &amp; TWEEDLE STUPIDER THE  &quot;SO-CALLED PROGRESSIVE CONSERVATIVE PARTY&quot; SAME **** DIFFERENT PILE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2 BNP MEP NOW&#8212;- THE MAJORITY ON THE COMMONS TOMMORROW. HELL WE NEED BNP IN U.S.A. &#038; CANADA. THANKS TO THE SOCIALIST FASCIST DEMOCRATIC PARTY IN THE USA WE MAY JUST HAVE A BNP ANSWER TO THE BANKRUPT DEMOCRATS &#038; REPUBLICANS VERY VERY SOON, THANKS TO THE MESSIAH BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA. IN CANADA TWEEDLE STUPID &#8220;LIBERAL PARTY&#8221; &#038; TWEEDLE STUPIDER THE  &#8220;SO-CALLED PROGRESSIVE CONSERVATIVE PARTY&#8221; SAME **** DIFFERENT PILE.</p>
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		<title>By: John Ward</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Ward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 06:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As the two preceding comments indicate, Medway has become a target area in the county for the BNP, and they have been fielding candidates here since the 2003 local elections.

This has allowed them to build up enough patronage to out-do the Greens, as was shown most clearly in the single-seat by-election last year. The BNP received 257 votes on that occasion, and the Greens just 104.

Of course, all this was overshadowed by our Trevor&#039;s vote of 1,847, which shows that the minor parties are unlkikely to win any seats here in the foreseeable future ? provided we don&#039;t end up with oddball voting systems and huge multi-member constituencies that could allow them inagainst the people&#039;s overall wishes..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As the two preceding comments indicate, Medway has become a target area in the county for the BNP, and they have been fielding candidates here since the 2003 local elections.</p>
<p>This has allowed them to build up enough patronage to out-do the Greens, as was shown most clearly in the single-seat by-election last year. The BNP received 257 votes on that occasion, and the Greens just 104.</p>
<p>Of course, all this was overshadowed by our Trevor&#8217;s vote of 1,847, which shows that the minor parties are unlkikely to win any seats here in the foreseeable future ? provided we don&#8217;t end up with oddball voting systems and huge multi-member constituencies that could allow them inagainst the people&#8217;s overall wishes..</p>
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		<title>By: Medway Mauler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Medway Mauler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 23:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Medway has highest BNP vote in the South East Region 7.9% and is probably the only Place in the South East where the BNP out polled the Greens</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Medway has highest BNP vote in the South East Region 7.9% and is probably the only Place in the South East where the BNP out polled the Greens</p>
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		<title>By: Tristan Osborne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tristan Osborne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 17:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John is right - attending the count last night it was clear that the Labour vote had collapsed. Apathy and direct transfers to minority parties were evident. 

Im also assuming that a large % of UKIP voters would transfer to the Tories in a General Election. This fact is not remarked upon by  pundits. A key theme is the  movement towards right-of-centre parties. Low turnouts also favour the right-of-centre parties.

There is no way to hide the facts that the results were very very poor for Labour.

The worrying trend was the number of votes for the BNP in Medway which remains stubbornly high. More work needs to be done from all parties to challenge this threat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John is right &#8211; attending the count last night it was clear that the Labour vote had collapsed. Apathy and direct transfers to minority parties were evident. </p>
<p>Im also assuming that a large % of UKIP voters would transfer to the Tories in a General Election. This fact is not remarked upon by  pundits. A key theme is the  movement towards right-of-centre parties. Low turnouts also favour the right-of-centre parties.</p>
<p>There is no way to hide the facts that the results were very very poor for Labour.</p>
<p>The worrying trend was the number of votes for the BNP in Medway which remains stubbornly high. More work needs to be done from all parties to challenge this threat.</p>
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		<title>By: John Ward</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Ward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 15:21:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes: looking at the votes ? whose went up, whose went down, and where the &quot;lost&quot; votes ended up ? shows very clearly that it was Labour&#039;s failure to hold much of their vote from 2004 that allowed the BNP to get two seats. the change in number of seats for the UK from 78 in 2004 to 72 this time will have had a small effect at the fringes, but nowhere near enough to produce this outcome.

This is the more remarkable as the electoral methodology ? based of huge multi-member regions ? makes it very difficult to change party in any seat. This is why most results this time were exactly as they were five years ago, after allowing for the seat reductions.

Effectively, only seven seats changed hands, resulting in just five overall seat changes. This is remarkable in the present climate.

One of the biggest putters-off to voters in regard to the Euro elections is this lack of power to make a real change, rather than what the media prefer to suggest. We aren&#039;t even picking those for whom we vote in the Euros ? each party lists its candidates in the party&#039;s preferred order.

If we&#039;d had a decent electoral system in operation, the results would have been significantly different. For one thing, it is almost certain that we&#039;d have no BNP MEPs?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes: looking at the votes ? whose went up, whose went down, and where the &#8220;lost&#8221; votes ended up ? shows very clearly that it was Labour&#8217;s failure to hold much of their vote from 2004 that allowed the BNP to get two seats. the change in number of seats for the UK from 78 in 2004 to 72 this time will have had a small effect at the fringes, but nowhere near enough to produce this outcome.</p>
<p>This is the more remarkable as the electoral methodology ? based of huge multi-member regions ? makes it very difficult to change party in any seat. This is why most results this time were exactly as they were five years ago, after allowing for the seat reductions.</p>
<p>Effectively, only seven seats changed hands, resulting in just five overall seat changes. This is remarkable in the present climate.</p>
<p>One of the biggest putters-off to voters in regard to the Euro elections is this lack of power to make a real change, rather than what the media prefer to suggest. We aren&#8217;t even picking those for whom we vote in the Euros ? each party lists its candidates in the party&#8217;s preferred order.</p>
<p>If we&#8217;d had a decent electoral system in operation, the results would have been significantly different. For one thing, it is almost certain that we&#8217;d have no BNP MEPs?</p>
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