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	<title>Comments on: LW: Labour candidate &#8216;attacked&#8217; potential colleagues and government on Facebook</title>
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		<title>By: Facebook for Councillors &#124; Local Democracy</title>
		<link>http://www.viewfrommedway.co.uk/2009/08/15/lw-labour-candidate-attacked-potential-colleagues-and-government-on-facebook.html/comment-page-1#comment-22297</link>
		<dc:creator>Facebook for Councillors &#124; Local Democracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 12:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] tactics somewhere a bit more private.?How you refer to your own party can also be an issue. Here, prospective Labour Councillor, Ms Sam Whittington&#8230; &#8220;&#8230; had few good words to say [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] tactics somewhere a bit more private.?How you refer to your own party can also be an issue. Here, prospective Labour Councillor, Ms Sam Whittington&#8230; &#8220;&#8230; had few good words to say [...]</p>
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		<title>By: John Ward</title>
		<link>http://www.viewfrommedway.co.uk/2009/08/15/lw-labour-candidate-attacked-potential-colleagues-and-government-on-facebook.html/comment-page-1#comment-21646</link>
		<dc:creator>John Ward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 09:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Alan J, you might have forgotten by now the occasions when you posted at least semi-anonymously, ands it was only recognition of the old &quot;ajj&quot; email address that gave the game away.

Once you even claimed you would be voting in my ward, which of course if you had been posting openly as yourself would have given that game away too, as you don&#039;t live here and cannot vote in this ward, so that was obviously false as well ? a case of misrepresentation purporting to be a voter in Rochester South and Horsted ward.

I have of course kept it all on file, just in case of future need?

I do not currently know what further exposures will be able to come into the public domain, and probably not until after the by-election Polling Day. To some extent it will depend on whether the &quot;private&quot; web page is ever fully disclosed.

Personally, I hope not ? which is why I hope that someone independent will simply say whether each of the claims about it is either true or false and leave it at that.

The detailed content should by now not need to be exposed to public gaze: all the voters of Luton and Wayfield need to be aware of is the broad nature and indpendent &quot;yes&quot; or &quot;no&quot; verification of each aspect as stated so far. Otherwise it&#039;s just left hanging, and the public will rightly wonder just what is being hidden from them and why.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Alan J, you might have forgotten by now the occasions when you posted at least semi-anonymously, ands it was only recognition of the old &#8220;ajj&#8221; email address that gave the game away.</p>
<p>Once you even claimed you would be voting in my ward, which of course if you had been posting openly as yourself would have given that game away too, as you don&#8217;t live here and cannot vote in this ward, so that was obviously false as well ? a case of misrepresentation purporting to be a voter in Rochester South and Horsted ward.</p>
<p>I have of course kept it all on file, just in case of future need?</p>
<p>I do not currently know what further exposures will be able to come into the public domain, and probably not until after the by-election Polling Day. To some extent it will depend on whether the &#8220;private&#8221; web page is ever fully disclosed.</p>
<p>Personally, I hope not ? which is why I hope that someone independent will simply say whether each of the claims about it is either true or false and leave it at that.</p>
<p>The detailed content should by now not need to be exposed to public gaze: all the voters of Luton and Wayfield need to be aware of is the broad nature and indpendent &#8220;yes&#8221; or &#8220;no&#8221; verification of each aspect as stated so far. Otherwise it&#8217;s just left hanging, and the public will rightly wonder just what is being hidden from them and why.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan J Jefferies</title>
		<link>http://www.viewfrommedway.co.uk/2009/08/15/lw-labour-candidate-attacked-potential-colleagues-and-government-on-facebook.html/comment-page-1#comment-21600</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan J Jefferies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 10:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being myself John, what does that mean? 

With regard to the Labour candidate, it clear that Tony and Val know more than me but voter will as always have to disseminate fact from fiction and the fact is Labour have handled matters badly.  However your promise of further exposures has yet to come to light. Was this the fiction??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being myself John, what does that mean? </p>
<p>With regard to the Labour candidate, it clear that Tony and Val know more than me but voter will as always have to disseminate fact from fiction and the fact is Labour have handled matters badly.  However your promise of further exposures has yet to come to light. Was this the fiction??</p>
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		<title>By: John Ward</title>
		<link>http://www.viewfrommedway.co.uk/2009/08/15/lw-labour-candidate-attacked-potential-colleagues-and-government-on-facebook.html/comment-page-1#comment-21559</link>
		<dc:creator>John Ward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 11:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting comment from Alan Jefferies, being himself this time, which is good news.  Yes, I admite that I am now &quot;poor&quot; and &quot;old&quot;, having recently reached the age of sixty ? and looking good on it, to quote Cap&#039;n Jack Harkness! :-)

Just for the record: I for one am not enjoying Labour&#039;s embarrassment, but it wouldn&#039;t be a surprise if I turned out to be the exception. It is why I stuck to reporting only what I knew, and qualified anything not yet certain, also inviting a secure way to let me comment purely on the &quot;top level&quot; of what that Facebook page contained ? after Polling Day if necessary.

What I still want so strongly is for this whole business to be cleaned up so that we can all move on and get on with the real business of dealing with Medway&#039;s needs and wishes, as far as is humanly possible.  Even I contribute to that from the sidelines, as best I can, and we could all do the same if we so chose.

Meanwhile, it is important for the slowly-developing ward of Luton and Wayfield (gradually catching up with the likes of Rainham and urban Strood) not to make a mistake in the by-election on the basis of unclear or incomplete information about the candidates.

Putting the boot on the other foot, I&#039;d be most displeased if I cast my vote here on the basis of false, camouflaged or other misleading or incomplete information and by the time I found out, it was too late to do anything about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting comment from Alan Jefferies, being himself this time, which is good news.  Yes, I admite that I am now &#8220;poor&#8221; and &#8220;old&#8221;, having recently reached the age of sixty ? and looking good on it, to quote Cap&#8217;n Jack Harkness! <img src='http://www.viewfrommedway.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Just for the record: I for one am not enjoying Labour&#8217;s embarrassment, but it wouldn&#8217;t be a surprise if I turned out to be the exception. It is why I stuck to reporting only what I knew, and qualified anything not yet certain, also inviting a secure way to let me comment purely on the &#8220;top level&#8221; of what that Facebook page contained ? after Polling Day if necessary.</p>
<p>What I still want so strongly is for this whole business to be cleaned up so that we can all move on and get on with the real business of dealing with Medway&#8217;s needs and wishes, as far as is humanly possible.  Even I contribute to that from the sidelines, as best I can, and we could all do the same if we so chose.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, it is important for the slowly-developing ward of Luton and Wayfield (gradually catching up with the likes of Rainham and urban Strood) not to make a mistake in the by-election on the basis of unclear or incomplete information about the candidates.</p>
<p>Putting the boot on the other foot, I&#8217;d be most displeased if I cast my vote here on the basis of false, camouflaged or other misleading or incomplete information and by the time I found out, it was too late to do anything about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan J Jefferies</title>
		<link>http://www.viewfrommedway.co.uk/2009/08/15/lw-labour-candidate-attacked-potential-colleagues-and-government-on-facebook.html/comment-page-1#comment-21501</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan J Jefferies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 16:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;Anon&quot; does indeed confirm the existence of the labour candidate&#039;s Facebook page. A page you can only access by being a friend of Ms Whittington, so clearly a &quot;friend&quot; must have leaked it. Hacking it would leave people open to the risk of prosecution. If you were a &quot;friend&quot; you would have open access.

This demonstrates two points:  1. Nothing on the internet is secure or private so you have to watch what you say or it can come back and bite you as poor old John found out in the past. 2. You have to choose your friends carefully or they can drop you right in it . 

Tony and Val Goulden must feel very strongly about this because their political careers are just about over. Labour have handled this matter very poorly and its they who must take any blame.

Its no good blaming the Tories, Lib Dems or any one else. They are enjoying Labour&#039;s embarrassment. If you don&#039;t say such things as claimed you won&#039;t be hurt by them. Labour have not denied what&#039;s being claimed and Ms Whittington has not apologised for them only offered to do so.  Then we must assume all that is claimed is true because absolutely no one is saying its untrue.

Anon comments should not be published because they are the mark of the coward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &quot;Anon&quot; does indeed confirm the existence of the labour candidate&#8217;s Facebook page. A page you can only access by being a friend of Ms Whittington, so clearly a &quot;friend&quot; must have leaked it. Hacking it would leave people open to the risk of prosecution. If you were a &quot;friend&quot; you would have open access.</p>
<p>This demonstrates two points:  1. Nothing on the internet is secure or private so you have to watch what you say or it can come back and bite you as poor old John found out in the past. 2. You have to choose your friends carefully or they can drop you right in it . </p>
<p>Tony and Val Goulden must feel very strongly about this because their political careers are just about over. Labour have handled this matter very poorly and its they who must take any blame.</p>
<p>Its no good blaming the Tories, Lib Dems or any one else. They are enjoying Labour&#8217;s embarrassment. If you don&#8217;t say such things as claimed you won&#8217;t be hurt by them. Labour have not denied what&#8217;s being claimed and Ms Whittington has not apologised for them only offered to do so.  Then we must assume all that is claimed is true because absolutely no one is saying its untrue.</p>
<p>Anon comments should not be published because they are the mark of the coward.</p>
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		<title>By: John Ward</title>
		<link>http://www.viewfrommedway.co.uk/2009/08/15/lw-labour-candidate-attacked-potential-colleagues-and-government-on-facebook.html/comment-page-1#comment-21442</link>
		<dc:creator>John Ward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 23:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Incidentally, &quot;anon&quot; has effectively admitted that the page exists (and I gather it&#039;s in the hands of local newspapers) and must presumably have known that all along, despite previous claims. So now we know!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Incidentally, &quot;anon&quot; has effectively admitted that the page exists (and I gather it&#8217;s in the hands of local newspapers) and must presumably have known that all along, despite previous claims. So now we know!</p>
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		<title>By: harry</title>
		<link>http://www.viewfrommedway.co.uk/2009/08/15/lw-labour-candidate-attacked-potential-colleagues-and-government-on-facebook.html/comment-page-1#comment-21441</link>
		<dc:creator>harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 23:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a fascinated outsider in all this I would just observe that however good a comment is, it kind of loses its hit when labelled Anon.  It always reminds me of kids at school who will play best friends one day, and whisper about you the next.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a fascinated outsider in all this I would just observe that however good a comment is, it kind of loses its hit when labelled Anon.  It always reminds me of kids at school who will play best friends one day, and whisper about you the next.</p>
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		<title>By: John Ward</title>
		<link>http://www.viewfrommedway.co.uk/2009/08/15/lw-labour-candidate-attacked-potential-colleagues-and-government-on-facebook.html/comment-page-1#comment-21439</link>
		<dc:creator>John Ward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 23:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I wonder who that was then?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I wonder who that was then?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.viewfrommedway.co.uk/2009/08/15/lw-labour-candidate-attacked-potential-colleagues-and-government-on-facebook.html/comment-page-1#comment-21434</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 20:12:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anonymous attacks are the mark of the coward. Yeah like the coward who hacked into someone&#039;s private Facebook page. Now thats what you call a lower life form.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anonymous attacks are the mark of the coward. Yeah like the coward who hacked into someone&#8217;s private Facebook page. Now thats what you call a lower life form.</p>
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		<title>By: John Ward</title>
		<link>http://www.viewfrommedway.co.uk/2009/08/15/lw-labour-candidate-attacked-potential-colleagues-and-government-on-facebook.html/comment-page-1#comment-21425</link>
		<dc:creator>John Ward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 15:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very nice analysis, Alan! I can see a career in journalism on the horizon (if you ever felt inclined to go down that road).

As for Anon above, who is probably Tristan Osborne or one of his ilk, I dealt with him over on my &#039;blog. His Damian McBride-like diversionary and smear tactics won&#039;t wash with me; but if he were to try again, I&#039;d gladly demolish him entirely, once and for all.

Of course, anonymous attacks are the mark of the coward, and usually someone who is hiding something (else) as well, so we already know the kind of lower life form with whom we are dealing ? and one that can&#039;t spell either!

Never mind: your articles in the Luton and Wayfield category have been very good, actually; and when this by-election is over I intend to save them all here (with all comments) for posterity and as an example of how to handle such issues well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very nice analysis, Alan! I can see a career in journalism on the horizon (if you ever felt inclined to go down that road).</p>
<p>As for Anon above, who is probably Tristan Osborne or one of his ilk, I dealt with him over on my &#8216;blog. His Damian McBride-like diversionary and smear tactics won&#8217;t wash with me; but if he were to try again, I&#8217;d gladly demolish him entirely, once and for all.</p>
<p>Of course, anonymous attacks are the mark of the coward, and usually someone who is hiding something (else) as well, so we already know the kind of lower life form with whom we are dealing ? and one that can&#8217;t spell either!</p>
<p>Never mind: your articles in the Luton and Wayfield category have been very good, actually; and when this by-election is over I intend to save them all here (with all comments) for posterity and as an example of how to handle such issues well.</p>
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